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DRA vs. Fountas & Pinnell BAS

5/16/2015

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Hi everyone, it's Becky! It seems like everyone is in the throws of giving their reading benchmark assessments, whatever it may be, and I wanted to provide a comparison between the DRA and the Fountas & Pinnell Benchmark Assessment System. First, let me state that I am not connected to either of these companies in any way, and am only speaking from my personal experiences and my professional views as an educator and reading specialist.
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Two years ago my district began looking for another reading benchmark assessment because we teachers continued to voice our opinion that the DRA was not providing us with an accurate picture of our students' actual reading levels. The major problem: retelling! When giving and scoring the DRA, it was more like the student had to give a complete regurgitation of what they just read, after only reading it ONCE, and without being allowed to look back at the story! You may be thinking, "Wait a minute, don't we teach our students to refer back to the text to answer questions and monitor their own comprehension?!" YES, we do! We ask them to cite evidence from the text, and actually interact with it, so why are we then taking it away from them when assessing their comprehension of a story?!

The teachers in our district were  very frustrated that we were asking our students to do something that we ourselves were not even sure we could do ourselves! Seriously, when as adults, do we ever have to read something we've only read once and then have to retell it, in order, without looking back at the text?! I can't think of one instance that I have had to do this in the past 10 years!

Luckily I work in a district that does listen to our feedback and, after many years of this same discussion, we were finally given the opportunity to pilot the Fountas & Pinnell Benchmark Assessment System (We call it the BAS...F&P sounded a little too vulgar if said too quickly!). I was lucky enough to be asked to pilot last year, and eagerly accepted the task. I took it seriously because I knew that my feedback would be used as part of a major assessment decision for our district. When I piloted last year, I was told that I had to give the DRA and the BAS during each assessment window. I wasn't happy about the amount of testing I would have to do, but looking back on it, I'm glad that we did it this way because we were able to compare my students' scores and see if the reading levels matched when they took both assessments. 

My BAS findings:
Comprehension/Retelling: STUDENTS CAN LOOK BACK AT THE BOOK! This was the biggest and best change from the DRA! Hip Hip Hooray! Finally something that reflects the strategies we teach! (You may not tell them while testing to look in the book, but since we practice this in guided reading, they will do it on their own.) That was always the most stressful part of the DRA because my kids could never remember ALL of the details required to get the advanced score to move on and could never look back for assistance. 
In addition, the BAS encourages more of a text discussion, where it is OK to prompt and ask questions. I always hated that I had to mark my students lower on the score sheet because I had to prompt them for more details. All too often, my students would read a story beautifully, but would get stuck at that level because I had to prompt them during the retelling section of the test.
Fluency: The BAS does have you time them once you reach your higher reading levels, but it does not stop them from passing a level. I use it more of a documentation of their reading rate. I personally do not believe that a certain number of words per minute should be mandated for our students. Not everyone reads at the same rate, and some students like to take their time to really inspect the photos and read the captions before reading the text. Some students are just slower readers, but they are also great at comprehending the text. My goal for my students' fluency is for it to sound fluid, as if they were speaking, but I do not place much emphasis on their words per minute. (Yes, I'm ready for the daggers to be thrown!) I don't need to stress their little minds any more than they already are!
Student Interest: They say you can't judge a book by it's cover, but let's face it...when you're 6, you do! The BAS has two books for each level, one fiction and one non-fiction, and I have to tell you that my kids responded to these texts much more than the DRA. Let's face it, they look more like the books they are reading during guided reading, and their interest level is much higher! My boys, who are usually my toughest customers, were much more interested in the BAS books. There is one level in the BAS where the non-fiction book is all about trucks.  My boys are ALL OVER that one! Another thing I like about the BAS books is that the pictures and text provide more opportunities for the students to use their context clues to solve/decode the words.
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Which ones would you choose?
Student & Teacher Stress Level: Since the BAS comprehension section is more like a text discussion, the stress level is much lower, mainly because they can look back at the book. They do not feel the pressure to have to remember every single thing that happened, because once we got to the higher level DRA books, my kids always gave summaries...but that was never enough! 
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Scores: The year I piloted BAS and gave the DRA, we did a score comparison. On the chart, I highlighted the students who scored higher on the BAS than on the DRA by more than one reading level. 
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As you can see, a large majority of my class scored higher on the BAS than the DRA. This is largely due to the vast differences in the comprehension sections of these tests. Had I only used the DRA as my leveling tool, I would have had a large number of I's in my class. I knew this was truly not the case, and the BAS came through with telling me their true instructional level. Had I kept them all in a level I reading level, I would have been doing them a disservice because they would not have been receiving reading material that challenges them, as well as text that would provide me with the ability to instruct and prompt them when decoding a tough word or understanding vocabulary.
The Time Factor: This is one drawback of the BAS, but it wasn't because of anything bad...my kids just kept passing the levels! I feel this is largely due to the differences in the comprehension sections of the tests. With the DRA, it is difficult to move on to the next level, especially with the higher levels because there is more to regurgitate/ remember/retell. Luckily my district does give us a full day substitute to administer them, and although we do not get them all completed on that day, it does put a dent in our list!

If you are still reading this post, thanks for sticking with me! If you are interested in the BAS, continue to talk the ear off of your administrator, reading specialists and fellow teachers! You could begin by suggesting to have a few willing faculty members pilot the assessment for a year before making any final decisions. 

I do not claim to know everything about the BAS or the DRA, but I can tell you that the confidence in my kiddos  when assessing has skyrocketed, and in the end I want them to view reading in a positive and exciting light.
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15 Comments
Elaine link
5/17/2015 07:05:52 am

Thanks for this information!

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katie link
5/17/2015 03:05:50 pm

This is great information! The retelling and fluency differences are really interesting. We have been using LLI this year and it has made a huge difference with our intervention students.

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Cathy
1/21/2016 08:57:28 pm

Did you test for Independent level in DRA and Instructional level in BAS? Thanks.

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Sara Guller
9/7/2016 10:40:23 pm

Thank you! Very helpful!

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Ann
10/11/2016 09:25:21 pm

Thank you, it's great to hear from someone who has correlated the results from the two frequently used assessments. Our district has started to use the BAS but has not provided training on the specifics of administering it.

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Trudy Jermanovich
10/16/2016 03:45:49 pm

Thanks for the discussion. Our district is having teachers do the BAS 4 X per year. Many teachers feel it's too much. How often did you give the BAS and what would you recommend? Also, did you have help in your classroom when you were testing? Also, how many students were in your class? Thanks - we appreciate your information

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Becky W
10/16/2016 11:13:42 pm

Hi Trudy,

You are welcome! We give the BAS 3 times a year to go along with our fall, winter, and spring benchmark assessments. We also have trimesters, because we felt like we were always assessing when we had quarterly marking periods. I feel that 3 times a year works well for us. We see where to start with them when we give the assessment in Sept., we can then see where they are halfway through the year, and then we see how far they have come at the end of the year. We are also moving them through the levels in our guided reading groups based on their classroom and reading group performance.

Our district gives us a substitute for one day. During that day, we pull students and test them while the sub is teaching our class. I can usually get through 8-10 students that day, and then I do the rest in my classroom, with kids in the room. Our class sizes range from 17-24 students. The year I gave both the BAS and DRA, I had 17 students.

I hope this information is helpful!

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Darcy link
12/11/2016 01:27:19 pm

I'd really like to know the answer to Cathy's question. Did you assess for independent on DRA and instructional on BAS or independent on both. My school district consolidated about 6 years ago. One of the schools of 6 elementary schools used the BAS while the rest used DRA. They have me teaching in one building with BAS and the other with DRA. I have been trained on DRA not BAS. I had been used to teacher reporting out in independent levels, so I was working on frustrational levels with my RR/Title I students. That was a learning curve. We have asked all teachers to report out in independent levels, but then I realized they were not really finding independent levels with BAS but just telling me the next level lower than what they found to be instructional. I wish we could all be on the same page, but $$$ keeps this from happening... we even do different math programs.

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Patrick
5/2/2017 02:21:49 pm

I'm puzzled. The DRA specifically says the students can use the book while they are asked to summarize. I agree the stories are somewhat bland.

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Maureen
11/26/2019 12:36:28 am

You are correct! The students only have to make the prediction and record some questions from the first assigned reading (usually the first few paragraphs) without using the book. After they answer those questions, they are asked to read the rest of the book (passage) and they are allowed to use the book to support their answers.

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Marisa H
8/30/2017 03:49:51 pm

Have you heard of Charlotte Mason? or of classical education and the art of narration/retelling?

Many Pre-AP classes implement this strategy. The skill of narration elevates cognitive growth when a story is only read once and then student then retells. Now of course analyzing text, referring back to the text, is a critical part of reading comprehension instruction but there is a reason for the skill of narration. I just wanted to share this skill because it is so powerful in increasing a students narration.
http://www.amblesideschools.com/main/library/art-narration-defined-and-demonstrated

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Wendy
12/15/2017 11:53:07 am

When you say DRA are you referring to the Diagnostic Assessment of Reading?

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Carly Stipe
1/31/2018 08:02:52 am

The correct phrase is "in the throes", not "in the throws".

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Upper Grade Teacher
3/14/2018 12:22:43 pm

Teachers of grades 2-8 do not need to ask their students to "Retell". This is very important to note about the DRA. Students in those grades give written responses in the comprehension section (the majority of the score), and they have the book with them when working on their responses.

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Carol Wethington
6/12/2020 09:49:37 am

And, thus, it becomes a writing assessment!

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